Gordon White (who you might remember from episode 4 of AEWCH) and I talk about all sorts of stuff, but mainly, what activism infused by real spirituality and occult knowledge looks like.

We talk

• the spirituality of identity politics
• why the will is bad for magic 
• Susan Sarandon
• desire v materialism
• how to include going backwards into activism and spirituality

It starts off a little slow and then builds and builds and builds. Until it becomes, in full, one of the best podcast appearances I’ve ever done.

You can watch/listen via YouTube above or go to the Rune Soup site to download or connect to audio.